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I'm a member of mixi and saw an interesting thread on the Mary Magdalene community so I thought I'd share a translation :) Sounds very similar to our arguments in English!



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Alice:
I thought it was common knowledge that when you sell something used, the price should be lower than the retail price but I guess I was wrong.

People say “the price is high because it’s so hard to find” or whatever… but it’s just about making money.

Sorakara:
>Alice
This isn’t a place to post your grumbles.
If you don’t like the prices, don’t buy it and actually I think you’re annoying people by asking for cheaper prices.
Resellers (not pointing out any in particular) [that sell at high prices] will be stuck if someone doesn’t buy their item so I just don’t buy from that kind of person. I think that’s a good stance to adopt.

Alice:
I’m not trying to complain…?
Miserable people who use clothes as a tool to make money off others are irritating and make me upset.

Samehada:
There are people who are willing to pay 50,000yen+
There are also people who prefer not to sell their stuff for 50,000yen
It’s an issue based on personal feelings.
But don’t you guys think that not the resale items but MM’s new stuff…
has dropped in quality?
I’ve noticed some things.
The belt on my Elodie Doll dress has fraying threads and the width on the pintucks is asymmetrical.
The hem on a coat I got wasn’t properly attached and I had to give it to a seamstress which took 2 weeks.
The placement of the braid on my Marie Antoinette dress was off…
And other stuff.
Maybe I’ve just had a string of bad items – have any of you gotten the same items as me?

Kankan:
>Alice
I wouldn’t exactly call it “making money” off others.
Lolita is a special fashion and doesn’t have seasons.
Regular stores sell their old and out of season merchandise for lower prices, but because there are so many MM items that maybe people missed out on when it was released or are older but still have designs that people want, there’s a kind of added value that can’t be helped.
Since MM mostly runs on reservations, there’s an extremely limited amount of stock available (^_^;)
People who buy dresses just to resell immediately… are pretty sad but they’re free to do what they want and we can’t scold every person for doing it.
The important thing is not to worry about what other people do and just appreciate the clothes for yourself (*^-^*)

Tsukisuimen:
Added value huh… I understand if it’s like an auction and there are lots of people thinking “I want this no matter how much it costs!” and the price gets expensive, but if the price is inflated from the beginning it does feel pretty shitty.
But I love getting things for cheaper than retail so it doesn’t really have anything to do with me ^^

Kankan:
>Tsukisuimen
Getting things cheaper than retail is awesome, huh?
It sucks that due to my OCD I can’t buy used stuff… orz
It would be nice but all I can do is patiently wait for re-releases;;;

Inuza-gi:
About rare things getting more expensive-
My attitude is, I can understand why people would charge prices higher than retail but I feel like people who sell their items for more than they paid are in it to make money.
If you think the market price should be higher than retail then you should auction it off.
It’s pretty bad if you sell it for more than retail and it’s been worn and doesn’t have the tags on anymore, but I don’t buy from those people or try to pry into the way they do things.
It’s not like selling stuff for more than retail is prohibited on this community so if people do that I can’t really say anything.

More than that I hate when people only post official stock pics.
I want to know the state of the item and how the color looks in real life – even 1 photo would be great  o(^-^)o

Rika:
If it’s a second-hand clothing shop I realize they have overhead and give them a bit of license to charge more but if it’s an individual doing it I kind of have a problem. Some people might say “well then just don’t buy it” but I don’t know, it feels like a resale factory to me.

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Komegu:
Yesterday at the supermarket (lol) coming home from a day out wearing my Delice Fleur OP in mint, someone came up to me and said “your dress is so cute, where is it from? I’m into lolita…”

It was a cute student and I hope we meet again!
It’s fun when someone with the same interest in clothing comes up to say something.

Mikan:
>Komegu
Thanks for sharing your nice episode.
I felt warm and fuzzy reading it.
I want to wear lolita so well that people want to come up and say something to me!!

Komegu:
>Mikan
Thanks for the kind message.
It’s kind of a silly story so wondered if I should post about it at all but I’m glad I did.
I want to learn more so I can wear lolita even better (^ ^)!
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On May 8th, 2012 02:24 pm (UTC), ant_forster commented:
You're right, it sounds really similar to the discussions we have on egl and other places about resale value. It's neat to see how people's opinions are as diverse among a population as they are across different populations (if that makes any sense) ^^
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On May 8th, 2012 02:35 pm (UTC), princessediana commented:
Thanks for sharing this with us ^^ ! So, japanese Lolitas do have the same problem than me with sellers who sell their used clothes at a higher price than they bought them, huh ? It's good to know, I thought it was something they accepted easily.

And the second story was cute :3. It's a good way to make new friends.

I really wish I could read more mixi threads like those. But I heard you need a Japanese phone number to register on this website (T_T).
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On May 8th, 2012 03:47 pm (UTC), kirapop replied:
You just need an invite from another member!
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On May 8th, 2012 04:21 pm (UTC), princessediana replied:
Really ? no japanese mail or phone number needed ?
That's cool *_* ! Thanks for letting me know !

I just have to find who will invite me now >_>;...
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On May 8th, 2012 04:48 pm (UTC), kirapop replied:
I would invite you but I deleted my account a few years ago. Mixi is pretty dead these days -- it is kind of seen like how we see myspace.
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On May 8th, 2012 05:06 pm (UTC), princessediana replied:
Yeah, I read something about it, when people get tired of mixi, it's called "mixi tsukare", isn't it ?
Thanks anyway ^^ !
I hope I'll find a way to infiltrate mixi just for the Lolita topics !
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On May 8th, 2012 03:31 pm (UTC), infiniteneeya commented:
It's always really interesting to me to read Japanese lolita's perspectives! Thanks for this! :) I hope that bit about MM's quality as of late doesn't turn out to be a big issue in the long run.
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On May 9th, 2012 02:20 am (UTC), zhenteng replied:
Seconded!
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On May 8th, 2012 03:47 pm (UTC), carmidoll commented:
thanks, it was an interesting read!
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On May 8th, 2012 04:28 pm (UTC), trirose commented:
Thanks for sharing this, it was interesting to read.
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On May 8th, 2012 08:47 pm (UTC), kyomu commented:
Thanks for translating this! It is very interesting to hear their thoughts on resale prices, and also to know that there is some Japanese version of me who doesn't buy used stuff lol.
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On May 8th, 2012 08:49 pm (UTC), kyomu replied:
Also, I haven't bought anything from MM recently, so it was interesting to hear the bit on quality, since I also think that VM's quality has been going down a little as well...
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On May 8th, 2012 09:28 pm (UTC), duplica_chan commented:
thanks for the translation!
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On May 9th, 2012 05:15 am (UTC), eiskobold commented:
Thank you for doing this. I was wondering how japanese people think about this topic and I´m glad the thoughts are the same.
I still can´t get over that someone sold an altered item for the double of the original price just because the print is now "rare" and popular... >_>
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On May 9th, 2012 04:00 pm (UTC), laplacedemon commented:
I think some people do love their clothes a lot and don't really want to sell but they have to of some reason or feel like they should sell because they haven't worn it or don't think it looks flattering on them anymore, so the put a higher price because if they do get it sold it' is like a sign from the lord that it's time to let it go.
I know I have done it during event season on PoupeeGirl and I needed Ribbons

I also know people who put a higher price but accept haggling.

Still very fascinating do read what Japanese lolitas think.
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On June 5th, 2012 06:16 am (UTC), tolrak commented:
This is very interesting, thanks for sharing it with us!
I've always wanted to have a Mixi account to read topics like this :P

Anyway, I think it's a good debate, and I would like to add that I understand someway the people that sell a used dress because they purchased it and it doesn't fit or it isn't like they thought, etc.
What I don't really understand is why people sell a dress that is been worn thousands and thousands of times and has not even been cleaned properly, has some damage or has miss datachable parts. This seems to be common during these days.
Just because a dress was expensive and has a hard to find print doesn't mean that it's going to be like new forever, so I think people should think about the condition of the dress before asking for certain prices.
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